In Depth Leveling

This will also require that the game has more stats, attributes and whatever. It's a good idea. I have been playing Path of Exile and that game has a massive skill tree which lets you really customize your build.

I expected to see a really "in-depth" guide when clicking on this thread. Instead I read a suggestion about talent trees. Many games have these trees now including World of Warcraft, League of Legends, and Rift. Problems occur when we are unsure what the game is going to be like as FO allowed you to invest skill points into any stat without restriction. This might work if you select a class at character creation. I see no real problem to this solution and might be the path Llama and the team wish to take. However if Llama is planning to do the vanilla FO skill points, then only 3 trees might be available and I would assume diversity would be low. You can look at League of Legends where they attempt to make a skill tree for all champions and play styles. However, everybody chooses a 21-9-0 setup. I personally see that happening with this idea.




World of Warcraft classes were generally set up with different play styles in mind versus more a offensive - defensive style talent tree. The tree above offers 3 variations of DPS (damage per second). However a Priest, thought of as usually the healer, has 2 healing trees along with a shadow / damage tree. I personally loved playing a shadow priest in WoW but that is beside the point. 

Talent trees are indeed a viable option. However if everybody is going to pick generally the same talents, then we should give them these buffs and not waste time coding a tree in the first place. Until it is announced how this game is going to work, I assume this is not going to be considered that far. I think it would be a great idea if embedded correctly

PoE's tree when I first saw it, I was like "Holy sh** ". It's nice to combine a bunch of different skills. 

PoE's whole skill gems/passive tree system is pure win.

The plan right now (though it can change) is to use skill trees. Specific details are still being worked out and considered classified. As we get closer, I think we might do a small write up in the devblog. But that is still a like 2-3 weeks off.

Special perks for a certain class is a good thing in every mmorpg, i like.

I'd love to give feedback on your skill trees if you decide to release a quick preview in a devblog. I am interested to see how you incorporate this into the game without some of the issues I mentioned above in my previous post. I am intrigued to see how you deal with balancing issues and your segregation between passive and active skills. I also hope healers have a strong tree or two to support against bosses of different variations. There is nothing I love more than solving a problem with a team to maximize our efforts.

I mentioned something about Classes in Guild thread which could be used to open up skills/bonuses.
link here

I don't like having specific classes and trees to choose from. I think it narrows the path you have to creating a unique character. Instead of having classes with their own skill tree there could be something like ES did with Morrowind. You get free reign of all skills, but choose only a few to start with. That way you can create any class you want down the road, and even mix/match to your liking. With that in mind, the level system would have to be revised. Gain XP in skills, for example, using a certain weapon type will gain XP for that weapon skill. Increasing hit rate and damage with that weapon type. Shields give an added defense rating, but get better block rate from the skill for a change to take no damage, etc. Then for character level ups, they will require a specific number of skills to be leveled up. Leveling up will contribute to your character base stats. This would make for an epic return.

Morrowind, just about the finest rpg i've ever played, and that is an example of depth, that is an an example of what I'd like to see.