Benhamen
Soft-Shelled Crab
"Crablantis is neat!" - Mahatma Gandhi
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FO Level Status: Ascended
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Post by Benhamen on Mar 11, 2014 22:31:53 GMT
To be honest, I did not like it how FO was so strict against usage of strong language. It was ridiculous how you weren't even allowed to curse (Or bypass the profanity filter) in PM's.
My question to you is: Will you handle strong language the same way FO did, or will you implement a toggle-able profanity filter so people who like using curse words can keep using them?
Note: Having a profanity filter does not mean it's okay to call the guy who stole your grinding spot a "useless motherfunkler who should drown in his own sheit", but rather use it for things like "I had such a fawking heavy day at work today".
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Post by boogerrito on Mar 11, 2014 22:37:51 GMT
How do you plan on having the chat decide which uses of bad words are considered okay and which are unacceptable?
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Benhamen
Soft-Shelled Crab
"Crablantis is neat!" - Mahatma Gandhi
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FO Level Status: Ascended
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Post by Benhamen on Mar 11, 2014 22:45:07 GMT
You can't. The solution to that would simply be to report people who abuse the chat by flaming other people. A lot of games I have played work like this, and they all turned out fine.
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Post by boogerrito on Mar 11, 2014 22:57:20 GMT
That requires a lot of man-power to sustain. I just think it's easier to block everything because, even though flaming is inevitable regardless of any filters, the really bad stuff can be mitigated by an omni-blocking filter. I think that if the opportunity to use profanity were available to people, there would be nothing stopping them from using it excessively.
In my opinion, that kind of game just isn't as fun or friendly.
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Post by minche on Mar 11, 2014 23:04:44 GMT
this is just my opinion, but I prefer chats that are moderated based on reporting, rather than mods watching over and making judgements. reporting is more sustainable and less work. but then again, filter and the way it's moderated will probably depend on the audience and player base, and some of the words will most probably be filtered. I don't think that really bad stuff can be mitigated by filters, if someone wants to harass or insult somebody they'll find a way no matter the filters, and it just makes it harder to find and detect that way.
edit: and please don't confuse the request for lighter filter as 'he/she is just a rude person who wants to be able to say w/e'. I really don't like cursing, but I prefer if the chat isn't restricting me or someone else to say something, and sometimes there's some ridiculous words being filtered.
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Post by mdccxxvii on Mar 12, 2014 1:42:48 GMT
I don't really see the need to allow swearing in PMs. If you want to talk more freely, get someone on skype or facebook and chat with them there... Restrictions in games are there to protect younger users, as well as all users from hearing things they might not want to, and limiting harassment. If you want to talk about how hard your day at work was, you can find another word.
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Post by Bamboozle on Mar 12, 2014 1:52:16 GMT
The issue is that the line between casually swearing in a PM and raging/flaming other users can easily be crossed and is very hard to moderate. If one swear word is ok to use in one context (in this case, having casual conversation with guildies) it becomes that much harder to moderate its use in different contexts.
I will agree though that FO had some rather crazy words blocked.
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Post by iampanda on Mar 12, 2014 2:01:07 GMT
The issue is that the line between casually swearing in a PM and raging/flaming other users can easily be crossed and is very hard to moderate. If one swear word is ok to use in one context (in this case, having casual conversation with guildies) it becomes that much harder to moderate its use in different contexts. I will agree though that FO had some rather crazy words blocked.Cracker... and wasn't FO 13+ for a reason?
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Post by gamer1111111 on Mar 12, 2014 2:07:50 GMT
I think all curse words should be blocked no matter how they're being used. The fact that your even using such crude language in the first place indicates a lack of respect for others around you even if your not aiming it at a person. It's lazy and ignorant to just go around cursing instead of actually taking the proper time to indicate your strong feelings about something through mature and thought out messages.
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Post by iampanda on Mar 12, 2014 2:16:45 GMT
lets toggle random words, then remove them and talk about them and the noobs will have no idea
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zackery864
Soft-Shelled Crab
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FO Level Status: Rebirth
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Post by zackery864 on Mar 12, 2014 3:19:53 GMT
Well even if there is a toggle is on or off if its just starred out you can guess what word they are using so even if they are using the words to hurt people or talk you can still get a pretty good idea on what they are saying. so i think if they are using profanity then the message just doesn't send so they will have to take the time retyping which will just make them mad/annoyed. Even at that they will just remove a letter or replace it with another letter or symbol. people will always find ways around a profanity filter so its difficult to really say how they can go about it. My suggestion profanity filter toggle and a report button for verbal abuse . This will still take some monitoring but if someone is willing to read the reports and decide weather the text used was hurtful or not could be a way to do it.
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Post by iamallama on Mar 12, 2014 4:24:40 GMT
It will probably end up being a block and report system. The blatant curse words will just be blocked, however it won't just kick like in FO, but probably warn (or replace with crab ). Also, if the reporting process is easy enough, I think that people will use it. But just know that context probably won't be considered when someone is reported. If there is obvious bypassing of the filter, harmless or not, the result will be some action taken (undecided what yet). However, active monitoring of all chats (such as FO), while possible, will probably not be necessary. If something happens in public chat, then the moderator can take action, reported or not (even if you just wanted to say the moderator reported it, then took action). In private chats (or even guild chat), if it is not reported, then I don't really care. This means though that you should really only attempt to bypass/curse with someone you trust won't report you. Cracker... and wasn't FO 13+ for a reason? FO was 13+ because of coppa, not because of chat or anything. LQ will also have to be 13+ for the same reason.
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Post by Hey on Mar 12, 2014 5:09:34 GMT
If you're cursing at the age of 13-15, you need to rethink your life. It's not cool. Even I try stay away from it.
Keep the filter.. or at least star it out.
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Acappella
Rock Crab
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Post by Acappella on Mar 12, 2014 7:15:48 GMT
It will probably end up being a block and report system. The blatant curse words will just be blocked, however it won't just kick like in FO, but probably warn (or replace with crab ). Also, if the reporting process is easy enough, I think that people will use it. But just know that context probably won't be considered when someone is reported. If there is obvious bypassing of the filter, harmless or not, the result will be some action taken (undecided what yet). However, active monitoring of all chats (such as FO), while possible, will probably not be necessary. If something happens in public chat, then the moderator can take action, reported or not (even if you just wanted to say the moderator reported it, then took action). In private chats (or even guild chat), if it is not reported, then I don't really care. This means though that you should really only attempt to bypass/curse with someone you trust won't report you. Cracker... and wasn't FO 13+ for a reason? FO was 13+ because of coppa, not because of chat or anything. LQ will also have to be 13+ for the same reason. I think someone mentioned the ability to turn off the filter which could be best used, and I like the idea that its edited out.
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Post by PinkCrown on Mar 12, 2014 7:25:40 GMT
I'd agree a filter less strict than FO would be good. But having no filter at all would be insane. I saw things man, so many things.
There are a large number of racist and sexual words that aren't required in a game.
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